Aussie Tourist Shot Dead In Mendoza By Motochorro

[steveinbsas]

Somehow, though, Argentine gun laws appear to be more effective than those in the US.

It would be helpful if there was a precise way to determine exactly in what way Argentine gun laws are more effective than those in the US.

Any adult citizen or permanent resident in Argentina can legally own a gun if they fulfill the requirements to obtain a permit.

The law makes criminals out of everyone in possession of a firearm without a permit. There are undoubtedly many Argentines who have guns but not permits and the vast majority of them would never use their gun to commit a crime.

Are the Argentine laws "somehow" more effective in keeping guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit a crime against others?


It's a difficult question to answer but, while we're on the subject, it's worth taking a look at the statistics regarding tourist murders in Argentina in the past few years. The facts of those relatively few cases are well known and easy to research:


Two French tourists murdered after being sexually assaulted in Salta in July, 2011

Murder weapon: handgun

http://www.argentina...rench-tourists/

A French tourist murdered in Plaza San Martín on Februay 8, 2012.

Murder weapon: knife

http://www.argentina...aza-san-martin/

The comments that follow the above article are a must read.


German tourist murdered in Mar del Plata on March 10, 2013.

Murder weapon: a stone.

http://latinamericac...el-plata/27130/



New Zealand tourist (not an Aussie as first reported)shot dead by thieves in Argentina

Murder weapon: a gun

Guns are far more lethal, though - you have a much better chance of evading or surviving a knife attack. This is one reason why the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument is so ludicrous.

The current tally is 3 to 2. Guns appear to be the weapon of choice for killing tourists in Argentina, but not by a wide margin.

If anyone has information regarding other tourists that have been murdered in Argentina I hope they will add to these statistics.

I also hope the list is already complete.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

It would be helpful if there was a precise way to determine exactly in what way Argentine gun laws are more effective than those in the US.

Any adult citizen or permanent resident in Argentina can legally own a gun if they fulfill the requirements to obtain a permit.

The law makes criminals out of everyone in possession of a firearm without a permit. There are undoubtedly many Argentines who have guns but not permits and the vast majority of them would never use their gun to commit a crime.

Are the Argentine laws "somehow" more effective in keeping guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit a crime against others?


It's a difficult question to answer but, while we're on the subject, it's worth taking a look at the statistics regarding tourist murders in Argentina in the past few years. The facts of those relatively few cases are well known and easy to research:


Two French tourists murdered after being sexually assaulted in Salta in July, 2011

Murder weapon: handgun

http://www.argentina...rench-tourists/

A French tourist murdered in Plaza San Martín on Februay 8, 2012.

Murder weapon: knife

http://www.argentina...aza-san-martin/

The comments that follow the above article are a must read.


German tourist murdered in Mar del Plata on March 10, 2013.

Murder weapon: a stone.

http://latinamericac...el-plata/27130/



New Zealand tourist (not an Aussie as first reported)shot dead by thieves in Argentina

Murder weapon: a gun





The current tally is 3 to 2. Guns appear to be the weapon of choice for killing tourists in Argentina, but not by a wide margin.

If anyone has information regarding other tourists that have been murdered in Argentina I hope they will add to these statistics.

I also hope the list is already complete.

Ayn's fanboy apparently does not understand the statistical concept of "small sample size," and prefers to cherry-pick anecdotes.

 

[Iznogud]

The best way to be prepared for the possibility of being attacked by a knife is to carry a gun.

Even the POTUS knows that:

http://factreal.word...we-bring-a-gun/

At close quarters, knife beats gun almost always if it benefits of initiative and the element of surprise. (see Tueller´s Drill).
Against a knife prepare to be cut and forget about pulling a gun, it´s a waste of good energy and precious time. Let´s dispense of safe angles of fire,
Awareness is the key.

Everyone knows Obama is against guns and wants everybody (including and particularly other countries) to be free of dangerous ill behaved weapons. He does not beleve in guns.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

At close quarters, knife beats gun almost always if it benefits of initiative and the element of surprise. (see Tueller´s Drill).
Against a knife prepare to be cut and forget about pulling a gun, it´s a waste of good energy and precious time. Let´s dispense of safe angles of fire,
Awareness is the key.

Everyone knows Obama is against guns and wants everybody (including and particularly other countries) to be free of dangerous ill behaved weapons. He does not beleve in guns.

Obama misinterprets the Second Amendment almost as badly as the Roberts Court: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."

April 16, 2008, Democratic Primary Debate, National Constitution Center in Philadelphia

 

[ARbound]

Anyways...

To unhijack this thread, I feel bad for the guy but this to be expected here.

I watched the movie 9 Queens yesterday and it made me sad because nothing has changed
In 15 years. Motochorros, kids panhandling/selling stuff in the subway, petty crimw , etc.

I can only speak for me but: knife I fight, gun give it to them and run.

The reward is pathetic too, 4K USD? What a country.

The only thing I can say is to prospective expats to look at Chile or Uruguay, Argentina
continuously gets worse every month I've lived here and it has only been 10 months...

 

[internationalguy]

It has been worsening, yes, however maybe it's overblown and we're being too fatalistic.

Don't worry the thread will soon be hijacked back

 

[ARbound]

It has been worsening, yes, however maybe it's overblown and we're being too fatalistic.

Don't worry the thread will soon be hijacked back

See that's what I'm wondering, but in north america the local news covers murders too, though 90% of them were drug/crime related not robberies or thefts gone wrong in Toronto.

 

[Somewhereinba]

This thread turning into gun law debate.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

This thread turning into gun law debate.

Certainly, the issue of easy availability (or not) of guns is germane to the topic.

 

[Joe]

He probably had his last jar of Vegemite in that bag.