No right now a crowd will not do. A faceless crowd cannot campaign effectively. THAT is a huge problem when the faceless crowd represents a serious minority and the majority is seeking to add overnight large numbers of cheaply bought votes to the voter pool (16 year olds, perm residents). The crowd needs to have a face and needs to start bringing some of that 54% into the crowd.Iznogud said:
HUGE Protest Tonight 7 PM! Corrientes/Pueyrredon & Santa Fe/Callao.
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I was reading an interesting post by someone that boils down to....
Excluding the Clarin channels who else honestly covered the protests?
C5N were trying to reduce them to a protest about dolars and international travel, with analysts there saying how its a minority in Buenos Aires blah blah.
The rest practically ignored them. No mention of the protests around the country.
With the "media act" coming in will Clarin be able to cover something like this again?
Excluding the Clarin channels who else honestly covered the protests?
C5N were trying to reduce them to a protest about dolars and international travel, with analysts there saying how its a minority in Buenos Aires blah blah.
The rest practically ignored them. No mention of the protests around the country.
With the "media act" coming in will Clarin be able to cover something like this again?
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I was out protesting for a while last night. I have to say it felt great. Most of the people there looked like they were partying so that's different than other protests I have seen in other parts of the world.
But great feelings and partying aside. I have to ask what exactly is it that these people really want.
I mean I know people want the constitution to be respected and want their freedoms back. But do people know what it will look like? Respect of the constitution and the idea of freedoms are just that, ideas. What is it that people want to go back to...or go forward to?
Also, if they get rid of Cristina and her cronies, who will replace her? What do the people want when it comes to that? Didn't they run off de la Rua and got stuck with the Ks? Why do they think it won't happen again?
In my opinion, the people protesting are wishing for this "evil" to go away without having much of an idea who or what will replace it. Call me a cynic but without a clear guidance of where people want to go with this, things are bound to either repeat themselves or get even uglier.
Egypt's Tahrir Sq movement was mentioned. Actually the movement started quite like this one. Social media and boom...you have a protest. The leaders that did eventually appear were wolves in sheep's clothing, as was already expected. Muslim Brotherhood used the clueless idiots (they knew what they wanted. They just didn't know where to go from there) chanting in Tahrir Square to their advantage. And when the crowds grew, they grew because of the MB and just like that the movement became a tool of Muslim Brotherhood (and for those who don't know this, all modern Sunni Islamic terrorist organizations are offshoots of the Brotherhood, including Al Qaeda).
So, again, who will replace Ks, or rather Peronism that feeds off of the Argentine people time and again?
It will always make me happy that people are standing up for their rights. What makes me sad though is that without a leader representing each and every single demand of these people, this movement will either be lost or used by a group just like or much worse than the Ks.
But great feelings and partying aside. I have to ask what exactly is it that these people really want.
I mean I know people want the constitution to be respected and want their freedoms back. But do people know what it will look like? Respect of the constitution and the idea of freedoms are just that, ideas. What is it that people want to go back to...or go forward to?
Also, if they get rid of Cristina and her cronies, who will replace her? What do the people want when it comes to that? Didn't they run off de la Rua and got stuck with the Ks? Why do they think it won't happen again?
In my opinion, the people protesting are wishing for this "evil" to go away without having much of an idea who or what will replace it. Call me a cynic but without a clear guidance of where people want to go with this, things are bound to either repeat themselves or get even uglier.
Egypt's Tahrir Sq movement was mentioned. Actually the movement started quite like this one. Social media and boom...you have a protest. The leaders that did eventually appear were wolves in sheep's clothing, as was already expected. Muslim Brotherhood used the clueless idiots (they knew what they wanted. They just didn't know where to go from there) chanting in Tahrir Square to their advantage. And when the crowds grew, they grew because of the MB and just like that the movement became a tool of Muslim Brotherhood (and for those who don't know this, all modern Sunni Islamic terrorist organizations are offshoots of the Brotherhood, including Al Qaeda).
So, again, who will replace Ks, or rather Peronism that feeds off of the Argentine people time and again?
It will always make me happy that people are standing up for their rights. What makes me sad though is that without a leader representing each and every single demand of these people, this movement will either be lost or used by a group just like or much worse than the Ks.
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I happened to have to go from near Callao/Santa Fe to near 9 de Julio/Corrientes during the protest, so I joined it to take some pictures and movies:
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000058.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000059.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000060.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000066.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000070.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000083.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000083.MOV
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000058.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000059.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000060.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000066.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000070.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000083.mp4
http://toon.macharis.be/videos/P1000083.MOV
it needs to be continuous, not once a week or month.earlyretirement
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Actually there were several people that were interviewed. I was watching a few websites last night including Clarin and they were interviewing several people on camera and most of them started out by saying "I'm not scared Christina...not even a little bit". Of course they didn't say the person's name but there WERE several public interviews.
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Sometimes at the start of a movement a protest can be a message in itself. Last night felt like the idea of a leaking tap that drips and drips. It bothers you but not too much until the whole thing after neglect spurts out and you need a plumber. To me Cristina ignored the various issues dripping away and now it has spurted out from all ends. If she wants to keep the country as a whole together she should fix the issues her people have made clear to her these past few days.
Protests like this I feel don't need a leader or figurehead initially and a part of me felt like yesterday's protest was that. Furthermore the heterogenous nature of the issues that resulted in the protest make it hard right now to coagulate in to a clear, defined movement. In Chile the protests last year started from one issue (education) but then came to encompass other issues but it found its figurehead from the initial seam of protests, student Camilla Vallejo.
Looking at the protests if there is to be someone to come out of this as a leader it would need to be someone untainted by politics. Considering the strong emphasis on the issue of changing the constitution, a good voice would be someone with a history or expertise in that field, an advocate of constitutional and personal rights. Who that could be? We shall see.
Protests like this I feel don't need a leader or figurehead initially and a part of me felt like yesterday's protest was that. Furthermore the heterogenous nature of the issues that resulted in the protest make it hard right now to coagulate in to a clear, defined movement. In Chile the protests last year started from one issue (education) but then came to encompass other issues but it found its figurehead from the initial seam of protests, student Camilla Vallejo.
Looking at the protests if there is to be someone to come out of this as a leader it would need to be someone untainted by politics. Considering the strong emphasis on the issue of changing the constitution, a good voice would be someone with a history or expertise in that field, an advocate of constitutional and personal rights. Who that could be? We shall see.
