"Leaving America"

[steveinbsas]

I don't waste my time watching Beck, he's not a serious journalist and Fox is not a credible news organization. From what little I've seen and read Beck's diatribes are packed with innuendo, half-truths, and out and out falsehoods. A good example of his distortions are when he accused Soros of being a Nazi sympathizer. Really a repugnant and ridiculous charge as Soros was just 13 at the time. The following article discusses this in more detail.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Electi...at-s-with-Glenn-Beck-s-fascination-with-Nazis

Beck made it clear that Soros was just a boy of 14, but as an adult, Soros said the following (as reported by TIME/in partnership with CNN):

"Nineteen forty-four was the best year of my life," he maintains. "I was 14 when the world intruded on my life. I was old enough to be aware of what was happening, and young enough to be excited by it."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,978621,00.html

 

[NoPat]

Well, undoubtedly the term "American" is de facto used all over the world to denote people from the USA, there is no denying that.
However, what I find it difficult to digest is the stubbornness of USA people who blindingly refuse to see the other side of the argument.

Which can be illustrated thus: A chinese person is Chinese and Asian, (a Thai person is Thai and Asian, etc.), A Spaniard is Spanish
and European, (French person being French and European, etc.) And so it goes with the issue of people from all of the Americas being
Colombian, Mexican, Brazilian, etc. and American.

It's not that difficult to see, is it? This simple fact is ignored when USA people go up in arms to defend their right to the exclusive use
of the term "American". And it's clear to see why this winds up everyone else from all over the Americas

 

[Rad]

Yes me too, it happens here in the 1970's 30.000 people vanished, tortured and killed but from a opposite ideology....fascism. Do you know how many more millions die in fascist Germany?....and they still haven't had enough too!

Read again - I did mention the German fascists. The were called "National Socialists" and for a good reason - fascism and socialism are similar!
Still, the commies/socialists killed more people than the Nazis.

 

[gouchobob]

Beck made it clear that Soros was just a boy of 14, but as an adult, Soros said the following (as reported by TIME/in partnership with CNN):

"Nineteen forty-four was the best year of my life," he maintains. "I was 14 when the world intruded on my life. I was old enough to be aware of what was happening, and young enough to be excited by it."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,978621,00.html

So what, how does this make him a nazi collaborator as Beck claims, it doesn't, Beck knew what he was saying wasn't true when he said it. This is not responsible journalism in fact it's not journalism at all.

 

[pato.barrientos]

What a constructive and thoughtful post.

Sorry, Ariel.
It was just a suggestion.
But I started reading because of the title "Leaving America" was interesting to me as the "american continent" and then I realized that it was related just to the states.

I just thought that "America" and "América" could mean the same.

Anyways ... as people from the states doesn't have any gentilic (demonym) to call them they used to say americans.

Well... focused on the name of your film I think it's better call it "LEAVING U.S.A." and then people who doesn't speak much english and are interested in leaves USA can get it too.

I'm chilean (or an american from Chile hahahaha, if someone likes this way more) and ussually in SouthAmerica the word "America" refers to the whole continent.

It's all about respect, if you are in Buenos Aires, that's part of the same continent as USA too and you have to know that people here think different about it. And nobody can say that we're not Americans too, but fortunelly we do have our own gentilics

I hope you take it in a good way ... it was just a thought and of course I'm saying that I got wrong the title and wanted to read about Leaving America(the continent) and not about LEAVING USA.

Sorry for my english too, it's not that good yet.
Bless up.

 

[citygirl]

My amusement with this argument is that while people get riled up about the use of the word American to describe people from the US - not once have I ever heard an Argentine, Colombian, Venezuelan, Mexican, Bolivian, etc refer to themselves as American. In addition, I have heard people from the above countries refer to people from the US as Americans quite regularly.

So in a nutshell, it's wrong for people from the US to use the word despite the fact that no one else uses it to indicate nationality but it's not wrong for people from other countries to use the world to describe people from the US Seems a bit ridiculous no?

I usually just avoid the entire discussion by saying "I'm from NY" when asked what my nationality is.

 

[Lucas]

Still, the commies/socialists killed more people than the Nazis.

I suppose you counted them one by one to be so sure.

 

[steveinbsas]

So what, how does this make him a nazi collaborator as Beck claims, it doesn't, Beck knew what he was saying wasn't true when he said it. This is not responsible journalism in fact it's not journalism at all.

This anti-Beck blog post from three days ago sound just like you, but the author does not make the mistake of saying that Beck made the claim that Soros was a Nazi collaborator (as you just did)...only that he made the "inference" that Soros was a Nazi collaborator. This may be a misuse of the term inference...perhaps he meant to say that Beck implied it?.

http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/133132/

If Beck is so anti-semitic, why do Jewish rabbis continue to appear on his program?

Here's a Media Matters link that is critical of Beck and starts by referring to Soros as a Jewish philanthropist. That's certainly not how Soros would describe himself (unless it could help destroy Glenn Beck).

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011090049

What does Soros really want?

"A New World Order" that eliminates national interests. It will be achieved in part by an "ordered decline of the dollar."

How is quoting a man's own words engaging in anti-semitic stereotyping (as the article asserts)?

 

[Lucas]

My amusement with this argument is that while people get riled up about the use of the word American to describe people from the US - not once have I ever heard an Argentine, Colombian, Venezuelan, Mexican, Bolivian, etc refer to themselves as American. In addition, I have heard people from the above countries refer to people from the US as Americans quite regularly.

So in a nutshell, it's wrong for people from the US to use the word despite the fact that no one else uses it to indicate nationality but it's not wrong for people from other countries to use the world to describe people from the US Seems a bit ridiculous no?

I usually just avoid the entire discussion by saying "I'm from NY" when asked what my nationality is.

That's because the "Americans" (without accent on the E) from USA as Steve said, appropriated for themselves the "name of this continent" solely as theirs and by divine right send directly by God himself, so the rest of the people of this continent will have to bear been called this or that but never Americans which are really from were they come from....seems a little ridiculous and embarrassing as the poster from the anterior page has said that he won't speak to anyone who call himself American even if this person is Colombian, Chilean o from Malvinas he can't be serious about his/her origin, in the mentality of an American that can't be right...right?....c'mon guys/gals you can't be really serious about this, but you are it has been inculcated and processed in your brains since you are born.

 

[LAtoBA]

Sorry, Ariel.
It was just a suggestion.
But I started reading because of the title "Leaving America" was interesting to me as the "american continent" and then I realized that it was related just to the states.

I just thought that "America" and "América" could mean the same.

Anyways ... as people from the states doesn't have any gentilic (demonym) to call them they used to say americans.

Well... focused on the name of your film I think it's better call it "LEAVING U.S.A." and then people who doesn't speak much english and are interested in leaves USA can get it too.

I'm chilean (or an american from Chile hahahaha, if someone likes this way more) and ussually in SouthAmerica the word "America" refers to the whole continent.

It's all about respect, if you are in Buenos Aires, that's part of the same continent as USA too and you have to know that people here think different about it. And nobody can say that we're not Americans too, but fortunelly we do have our own gentilics


Sorry for my english too, it's not that good yet.
Bless up.

But it's really simple. In English we, "Americans", refer to ourselves as such because we have no equivalent for "estadounidense". To the anglophone ear any variant of USAer, etc would sound extremely awkward. Thus, we are Americans from "America", as in the United States of America.

It's not meant to be arrogant or offensive. In any event I find it strange that Argentines seem to be stuck on the "American struggle" when they spend every waking moment pointing out there European roots.