Too Many Pizzerias And Carbs In Bsas Stop This Now

[Pensador]

Cultural habits change over time and meat is (fortunately) slowly but surely being left out of diets. That is good news for moral reasons (animal exploitation, cruelty and murder), health reasons and sustainability.

I am just curious what is the Vegan solution for dealing with the billions of live stock that are alive today if we stop eating meat. Do we just cut them loose? Set up socialist programs to support them? Given that that there are 10s of billions of them I am just curious?

 

[sleslie23]

I am just curious what is the Vegan solution for dealing with the billions of live stock that are alive today if we stop eating meat. Do we just cut them loose? Set up socialist programs to support them? Given that that there are 10s of billions of them I am just curious?

If you were really a "thinker" you would understand that behavioral changes don't occur overnight. It would mean a gradual reduction in the number of livestock that exist. They don't live forever. Over years and generations, their numbers would be reduced.

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[Pensador]

If you were really a "thinker" you would understand that behavioral changes don't occur overnight. It would mean a gradual reduction in the number of livestock that exist. They don't live forever. Over years and generations, their numbers would be reduced.

You should change your login ID. It really doesn't fit you.

Well as I said I was just curious I had not really put any thought into it. No they don't live forever but they do reproduce some like rabbits reproduce allot. So theoretically it is impossible that they would just die off if they had access to the resources they need to consume to live they would reproduce.

 

[GMXam]

There's an interesting book if you understand Spanish about Argentine agriculture changes: Mal Comidos by Soledad Barruti. She looked for similar data and studies in Argentina comparable to those used in the US to support the latest food documentaries (Supersize me and the like) but couldn't find much. As a result, she conducted her own research and wrote the book in order to educate others in Argentina about food. It's a very good read; a lot of comparisons to history, references to popular belief now no longer as true, etc.

I agree with others on the sociological change taking time both to go from what agriculture was to what it is now and vice versa.

By the way, if you leave BA you can get a more accurate picture of what it's like in Argentina. BA, although it's the largest population, is not Argentina.

 

[polostar88]

There is another side to the story. I have been evaluating some business models lately looking for some new projects. One of them was restaurants and Pizza is well just about the best option on the profit side of the food business. A pizza can be produced at low cost and sold at a very good margin. A little doe with some cheese and sauce can cost less than $ 1 or $2 wholesale but can be resold at 3 to 5 times of the cost. Also the ingredients do not carry the issues you would have if you owned a Parilla restaurant. Further the amount of time it takes to make a pizza is considerably less than an asado. Food management is also easier and the pizza model results in less waste if you have the correct the equipment and work flow. Chefs and or Asadors are not required and staff can be trained easily. Actually it is a better business and revenue model especially in a whacked out economy.

i understand....there may be economic causes too on both sides. But there's nothing economical about "green" "health" food stores, which I see everywhere in Recoleta and Palermo. Yes, I've seen more of these stores and inane restaurants than parillas. People are also overlooking the proliferation of confiterias, which I also mentioned in my first post. That has nothing to do with being poor either, as it represents a luxury. On the other hand just in the few days I've been here I've already seen many people have embraced the belief that red meat and saturated fat are evil, bad for your, or guilty pleasures, a belief that the upper middle and then middle classes have aped from the USA, as happens with quite a few other things. It's strange that when you point out this process of cultural influence you get accused of being a "conspiracy theorist." Argentinian elite follows American and European fashions in quite a few things.

Aside from this, I think there's no reason to discuss veganism and vegetarianism in general on this thread. Meat eaters and vegetarians will continue to exist and there are no worldwide trends. Sweden has moved to high-fat low-carb while the USA majority still continue their destructive industrial diet based on cereals, soy, sugar, and Argentinians are going in this direction as well. But there's no need to discuss vegetarianism in general here.

 

[sesamosinsal]

Cultural habits change over time and meat is (fortunately) slowly but surely being left out of diets. That is good news for moral reasons (animal exploitation, cruelty and murder), health reasons and sustainability. Highly recommend this video:

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

 

[polostar88]

If you were really a "thinker" you would understand that behavioral changes don't occur overnight. It would mean a gradual reduction in the number of livestock that exist. They don't live forever. Over years and generations, their numbers would be reduced.

You should change your login ID. It really doesn't fit you.

He brought up a good point. Your belief that there will be or there is some worldwide movement away from meat is what's strange. There's no such trend. There is a trend like this in Argentina, and it coincides with the decreasing health of the people here. There are different trends in other countries, for example Sweden, and among certain people in the US. You are not very well-informed, and perhaps without knowing, you are a tool of the big agribusiness lobbies, who are happy to replace meat with soy, cereals, and sugars (what they're lobbying for in the USA now, with some success).

There's no need to discuss veganism or vegetarianism in general on this thread. For what it's worth, I have nothing against vegetarianism properly done. Many of my ancestors were at least seasonally vegetarian. But a traditional vegetarian diet has little to do with what I've seen most people in the US call "vegetarian," by which they mean a diet based on anti-nutrients like modern processed grains, soy, and vegetable oils. That said, this is not the place to discuss all this. This is about changes within Argentina. I have no doubt that many people in Argentina have been conditioned to think like you now though.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

FYI - you can lose weight eating junk food if you workout enough. It's calories in minus calories out. Simple math. One pound equals about 3500 calories. For one pound loss per week you need to have a 500 calorie deficit per day. That's running about an hour for most people.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Sweden has moved to high-fat low-carb while the USA majority still continue their destructive industrial diet based on cereals, soy, sugar, and Argentinians are going in this direction as well. But there's no need to discuss vegetarianism in general here.

Swedes eat only small portions of meat, which is very expensive (though they do eat fish). When I visited my cousins there recently, the only meat they served was moose (which they hunt in a very disciplined manner, in groups; anyone caught with alcohol gets sent home). They do eat lots of cinnamon rolls and other baked goods, some of them very sweet.

 

[sesamosinsal]

He brought up a good point. Your belief that there will be or there is some worldwide movement away from meat is what's strange. There's no such trend.

Had you watched the video shared by kiara, you might reach a different conclusion.