Visa Run = Fake Tourist = Permatourist Deported At Ezeiza

A few comments. Yes the retirement visa requires a lot of documents. It took me quite a while to gather it and get it apostilled, etc. Then Argentina didn't like my married name (which is my legal name in the US) and wanted it to say the same as my birth certificate, I went to the Secretary of State in US with that requirement and he said that would take a court case. I passed that back to AR and so they said they would accept it but "you're going to have a lot of trouble with that in Argentina." In short, when I got the final paper to my attorney they literally RAN out the door to immigrations or I would have been over my 6 months cut off and had to start over getting papers It is no walk in the park to do this and it takes a bit of patience--which you have to learn anyway if you're going to live in South America so might as well start right at the beginning.

I'll get in trouble for this, but Argentina is a socialist country and is going broke (in my opinion) providing everything free.

Based on my principles I pay my way here, much to the amazement of Argentines who assure me they will go to the free clinic WITH ME.No Arlean, they say, it is FREE. I appreciate their generosity in being willing to pay for me. However, the sad thing is they don't understand that THEY are paying for me. If I say that they will sweetly argue and say, "No, I don't pay." They don't get it.

I say, " I say okay, if I go, who will pay?" They say "It is free." I say " Oh, do the doctors work for free?" No, they get paid. So then I say then it isn't free. No it is free. Okay if they don't work for free, who pays? I actually had one engineer (no joke) tell me Cristina. I said, "WOW, she must have a LOT of money!"

Oh no, SHE doesn't pay. Me: Well, you said she pays. If she doesn't pay, then who pays? Answer: The System. Me: WHAT system? Them (now impatient): The SYSTEM. Me: Do you mean the GOVERNMENT? (relieved) Yes, the government. Me: Where does the government get the money? Honestly most of them never figured out that it is NOT FREE. And if they are middle class they pay one way or another. If not in taxes they can't figure out that if the government prints up money to pay this stuff, it causes loss of buying power to what they make and everything starts to cost more becauise the currency is diluted and so they end up with another crash and devaluation. Plus now they not only have to pay the medical expense but the bureaucrats that administer it!

If you try to tell them the main cause of inflation is government printing money to pay for stuff they swell up like a toad and say,No, it is because they are stealing it. Well . . . maybe that too. I wouldn't know but I do know what overprinting money does to the economy.

The more people who come in here to take advantage of the (ahem) SYSTEM the sooner the crash. but no matter. I am telling people who want to come here (remember my web site caters to them) that Argentina is heading for a crisis. No matter they are waiting to scoop up the bargains.

Poor Argentina! I love Argentina. It hurts to see her people suffer and the worst of it is, they have no clue. Okay, I'm ready for the brickbats. I know they're on the way. but it is the truth!
 
I am not a very active poster but I have been following the BAEXPAT forum for several years and I have read posts by Baja Cero, so I know he has strong opinions about not getting a passport stamped every 90 days. I don't know him personally, and so I don't know if I am correct, but I question his motives and intentions on starting this thread. It obviously would be good for him and his law business to have a bunch of new clients retaining him to get their legal residency in Argentina. Just look at his website to see what the story is(he includes a helpful link with each of his forum posts). This is his business. He should be paying advertising. I can't say that the rejection case he cites is not true but I, personally, am skeptical.
 
Or maybe the person who was denied permission to reenter Argentina was an undesirable person, and immigration just used the 90 day visa law as an excuse?
 
I believe it. Things are getting stricted. A friend of mine just got a warning last week for having too many stamps in his passport. And my husband got a warning for not having a DNI despite full residency and showing the visa paperwork. He was told he had to have the DNI for the next time he enters the country.
 
I'm not really a permatourist because I haven't been here for 18 months. So I was planning on going to Montevideo after 3 months since I've never been there. And also because I plan to travel to the North of Argentina where I read elsewhere on this forum that passport checks are more common.

Well since I am not a permatourist, i.e. fake tourist. I am a real tourist - then it makes sense to renew your visa.
 
I'm not really a permatourist because I haven't been here for 18 months. So I was planning on going to Montevideo after 3 months since I've never been there. And also because I plan to travel to the North of Argentina where I read elsewhere on this forum that passport checks are more common.

Well since I am not a permatourist, i.e. fake tourist. I am a real tourist - then it makes sense to renew your visa.


Perhaps you meant 180 days instead of 18 months.

The maximum "legal" stay on a tourist visa (including a 90 extension at migraciones) is 180 days.

The "spirit" (if not the letter) of the law is that if you want to stay in Argentina more than 180 days in any given 12 month period you must apply for (at least) a temporary resident visa.

Leaving the country and reentering the same day (90 days after the first extension expires) has been the way "permatourists" receive a new 90 day visa for many years. This practice has been common and relatively hassle free. Since the decree was issued in 2010 there have been a few reports of scoldings by individual border agents but I don't think a single member of this forum has ever reported that they were denied reentry.

Of course that could change at any moment.
 
A couple of more question:

How much income is necessary for the retirement visa and can the money (our social security checks) be deposited in the US or does it have to be deposited here?

Would proof of income be a statement from the US Government?

Thanks, T/

Thanks.
I did a search for 'retirement visa'. I found the forms but couldnt find some basic info.
Do you know how long will I be able to stay with a retiree visa? Does it expire after some period? If so is it renewable?
 
I believe it. Things are getting stricted. A friend of mine just got a warning last week for having too many stamps in his passport....
I was warned in 2010 and 2011 for having too many stamps in my passport and again in 2012, when a got a prorroga in migraciones (the dates of entry and exit are in their computer system). After that I overstayed 2 months before going to Europe (their primary concern at exit was if I had the AR$ 300). When I returned in January it took almost 40 seconds before I got a new stamp.

We'll soon know if the rules are enforced more strictly now.
 
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