Door To Door Service Experiences?

I just posted something on another thread too. Macri can't do everything in 10 months. This door-to-door fiasco is actually pretty small potatoes for Macri and his administration. And I'm betting it affects more expats and cheta Argentinos than the majority of people. To think that things were better under Cristina is really woefully misunderstanding the reality, in my opinion. If we're still having, overall, the same number of issues near the end of Macri's term, I might begin to wonder.

In the meantime try to remember that Macri isn't a king...
 
Actually, the door to door thing is not small potatoes- its pretty much the main point of dissension in terms of trade policy.
while Macri has lifted some import and export taxes for big corporations, and lent governmental aid and dollars to a few big corporate export products- wine, soy, and so on- he has NOT attempted to change the basic cornerstone of Kirchner era trade policy- and that is- to keep high import taxes, duties, and frictional regulations to prevent cheap imports from undercutting domestic jobs.
There is no question that if he dropped all import taxes and restrictions tomorrow, there would be a huge loss of argentine manufacturing jobs.
This would be political suicide, and the Macri administration knows it.
Thats why they havent done it- not because its not important, but because its probably the MOST important to a large amount of employed argentines.

There is no easy way to deal with a huge surge in unemployment, which is what would happen if you could suddenly buy chinese electronics and clothing at world prices.
Certainly, it would benefit some consumers- the ones whose jobs arent cut, and who have money.

but you have to realize- a lot of Trump's success in the USA has been because, right or wrong, his supporters think he is against the "cheap imports benefit more than high paying manufacturing jobs" way of thinking.

Right wing economists in the USA repeatedly claim that the fact you can buy chinese crap cheap at Walmart is much better for the US economy and consumers, and that it more than balances the lost of high paying manufacturing jobs in the now desolate rust belt.
Obviously, a fair amount of unemployed steelworkers in places like Youngstown dont agree.

And if Macri dropped all restrictions, and slashed import taxes, the same thing would happen in Argentina- a bunch of angry, unemployed workers would be voting for the candidate who promised to bring their jobs back- and Macri knows this.
 
I just posted something on another thread too. Macri can't do everything in 10 months. This door-to-door fiasco is actually pretty small potatoes for Macri and his administration. And I'm betting it affects more expats and cheta Argentinos than the majority of people. To think that things were better under Cristina is really woefully misunderstanding the reality, in my opinion. If we're still having, overall, the same number of issues near the end of Macri's term, I might begin to wonder.

In the meantime try to remember that Macri isn't a king...


Macri is a politician, a main member of the Argentine elite. I'm not sure anyone on this site ever expected him to be a politician much out of the ordinary but he could blow up an orphanage and hamper of kittens everyday on cadena nacional til the end of his term and he'd still be preferable to ykw.
 
I just posted something on another thread too. Macri can't do everything in 10 months. This door-to-door fiasco is actually pretty small potatoes for Macri and his administration. And I'm betting it affects more expats and cheta Argentinos than the majority of people. To think that things were better under Cristina is really woefully misunderstanding the reality, in my opinion. If we're still having, overall, the same number of issues near the end of Macri's term, I might begin to wonder.

In the meantime try to remember that Macri isn't a king...

Macri is a politician, a main member of the Argentine elite. I'm not sure anyone on this site ever expected him to be a politician much out of the ordinary but he could blow up an orphanage and hamper of kittens everyday on cadena nacional til the end of his term and he'd still be preferable to ykw.

There is no need and no point in comparing Macri to CFK. We all know she and her crew were literally the government from Hell. We all know that. And she's gone.

The time has long come to assess Macri and his administration on their own merits, rather than compared to utter maniacs. And assessed he can and must be, even as we recognize the difficulty in cleaning up after the preceding act.

The new puerta a puerta regime is 100% Macri's to own. It was conceived of and brought to fruition entirely in the new era. We were all waiting to endure the delay in getting the project out the door, because CFK the system is destroyed yada yada yada. So we all waited patiently till they themselves pronounce the system ready.

And it's a total shitshow.

No door to door service - at all - would be preferable to what is currently in place. What is in place now is - by all reports - so eminently sucky so as to qualify more as a euphemism than as reality. "Argentina has puerta a puerta" is the new "No hay cepo cambiario". And this is after we waited.

From what I hear, commercial importing is not faring much better. Some existing importers have had some restrictions relaxed. The days when anyone can simply read the rules, comply with them and have confidence in the system working are not close to being upon us.
 
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And it's a total shitshow.

No door to door service - at all - would be preferable to what is currently in place. What is in place now is - by all reports - so eminently sucky so as to qualify more as a euphemism than as reality. "Argentina has puerta a puerta" is the new "No hay cepo cambiario". And this is after we waited. This is what we've been waiting for?!

From what I hear, commercial importing is not faring much better. Some existing importers have had some restrictions relaxed. The days when anyone can simply read the rules, comply with them and have confidence in the system working are not close to being upon us.

The truth is that as much as I argued against camberiu jumping to conclusions - for lack of evidence - in the days and weeks after the election, now there is evidence trickling in - of no meaningful change happening. The DJAI import regime has been scrapped - and replaced with an equally dis/non-functional system. Wiring money in from outside the country is still impossible or at least ridiculously complicated. Door to door mail is still a joke. Bottom line, the absolutely requisite changes necessary to make this place function normally have not happened. And it's not that they haven't happened yet - adjustments have been made, and they simply failed.

The whole premise of Macri taking power was that he would make the country safe/friendly for foreign investment. To date, that hasn't happened, and it's easy to see why: the changes needed to make this place worth investing in have not been made and likely won't be. The low-hanging fruit has not been tackled nor any will shown to do so.

Taxes are suffocating. VAT is an absurd 21%. Companies - not only monotributistas, IVA inscripto as well - have to pay 3% of gross revenues - unheard of in most civilized places. Any money entering or exiting most bank accounts are subject to a 0.6% tax. All of these things are not only suffocating proper business, but moreover acts as a strong incentive to go to the black market which is waiting with open arms. Eliminating these strong incentives to doing as much as possible en negro, is virtually a no-brainer. Not one whiff of rumor has been heard about abolishing any of these.

Yes, a lot of "fixers" are having troubles now. But this is surely temporary, the equivalent of a drug bust on the US-Mexico border. Until and unless the fundamentals change, the incentives will continue to push commerce in the simplest direction. And the negro market here will not go away unless people start to have confidence the state won't rob them at every opportunity just because it can.
 
I never said door-to-door wasn't a disaster, nor that Macri shouldn't have to "own it". My point is also not comparing Macri to Cristina. I was referring to comments two other people made that seemed to suggest (even if tongue-in-cheek) that things were better under Cristina.

As far as "Macri hasn't done anything and shit's gotten worse" type of comments go, in general (not pointing to anyone specifically), I am saying give Macri a break. He has done a lot, as I've mentioned in other posts, as far as removing corruption, or actively pursuing it. It is a completely different atmosphere if one knows what to look at. It may not be trumpeted in the papers, some people may not notice it, but it's there in many things. However, I don't know that there's a good yardstick in Argentina of how to measure the drop in corruption.

I agree with a lot of what Ries says, but one thing I would mention: aside from those imports to individuals being made easy, the door-to-door policy does not generally affect imports as usual here. Businesses importing stuff for distribution and resale (which I'm betting is far more volume than door-to-door without doing any research) go through freight forwarders who deal with customs agents. It's a whole different issue. Therefore to me, since the door-to-door policy mostly affects individuals due to the restrictions inherent in the policy to begin with, I don't think that the importance of door-to-door, outside the expat and cheta communities, is that urgent to Macri.

Also, let's not forget the coming electronics tax break that's supposed to happen in November.

Ries is completely right about why Macri hasn't thrown out all import restrictions, along with other issues, and is an extension of what I'm talking about when I say that Macri isn't king, and I explained a bit further in another thread. Macri can't just wave a magic wand and everything is the way he thinks it should be, or the way he's promised he would try to make it. He has a lot of opposition, on a whole lot of different levels (clear up to a big majority of the population itself, as far as not wanting him to stray too far from Peronist policies in many things)), and his clearest mandate, to me, was a lot of what he's already done as far as working towards getting Korruption [sic] under control. Go see my post in the other thread (can't remember which one right now), where I talk about someone I know who used to be involved in corruption as to why I think that.

Is door-to-door screwed up and horrible? Hell yeah. Does the door-to-door fiasco mean that Macri's administration is a joke and not doing what it said? No, but it is far from a bright moment for them. Does the fact that we're suffering inflation and other woes mean Macri isn't doing what he said he'd do economically? No it doesn't - we knew before he took office it would be like this. Give it another 6-8 months and then start complaining if things aren't starting to look a bit better at least. Has corruption eased? I won't mention any specific acts, legal or illegal, but I can state that I know of something that could be done a year ago if you knew the right person that now cannot be done, at least among anyone I know. Things have changed, there is a different attitude among public servants.

That, to me, is an honest analysis of what Macri's been doing, but I don't have any data measured by any analytic metrics to prove it. If anyone expected Macri to completely redo tax laws, import/export laws and tariffs and completely reform the country, I believe they may have been thinking of a completely different reality than any I would consider here, in Argentina. I'm trying to measure Argentine politician by Argentine standards (which hopefully he, himself will raise somewhat), not some impossible-to-achieve standard from the "first world", in one fell swoop. One realistic step at a time.
 
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I still say door to door, and commercial imports, are part and parcel of the same thing, and changing one changes the other.
Right now, if I want a special cable for a Mac computer, I can buy an official import- at 3 times US price, with very limited availability of 2 year old product.
Or, I can go on Mercado Libre, and get the address of a cleaning supplies store in Las Canitas, where, in the back, they have cheap chinese knockoffs for merely about ten percent more than real Apple products sell for on Amazon.
You can bet those chinese knockoffs are NOT paying full import taxes and duties- they are coming in by truck from Brazil, or some similar way.

And, the minute real door to door was in effect, dozens, no, hundreds, of small shops like that cleaning supply store (its real, I really bought a cable there) will immediately start ordering from Amazon, which really means drop shipped from China.
How can you possibly stop them?
Unless you use a system like the current failed one, with paperwork, central post office and customs handling of every package, a yearly limit on tax free, and so on?

Door to door can, and would, be used by a huge amount of small retailers and repair shops and stores thruout Argentina within a week.
Cant get a cheap silicone replacement washer for your blender, a part for your car, a machinists measuring tool, quality thread for your sewing machine?
All of these things would be in small packages next week, going to the small shops in my barrio, if it was possible, and, with "consumer" door to door, it would be.

Personally, I am in favor of much more open trade and lower or no import taxes- I think the government can support local industries in other ways besides an import ban.
But the reason door to door doesnt exist is that there is no way to keep it to "consumers".

In the USA, I buy industrial supplies every week on Amazon, and get door to door direct from China- stainless steel ball bearings, concrete fasteners, sign painting brushes, embroidery thread- I get stuff like that all the time.
 
I never said door-to-door wasn't a disaster, nor that Macri shouldn't have to "own it". My point is also not comparing Macri to Cristina. I was referring to comments two other people made that seemed to suggest (even if tongue-in-cheek) that things were better under Cristina.

As far as "Macri hasn't done anything and shit's gotten worse" type of comments go, in general (not pointing to anyone specifically), I am saying give Macri a break.

Indeed he does need to be given more time to be fairly judged and I for one am prepared to allow him his full term as President before doing that. However this was a rushed measure in the hope of gaining good publicity which judging by media reports has backfired big time. Impounding my three 250gr packets of tea with a total value of less than $20 for weeks on end is just farcical.
This'll be the third parcel my wife and I haven't received over the last few years from the UK out of a total of four. All of them amounted to little value so wouldn't have attracted much tax if any on them anyway.All it has done is show the country in a bad light to family and companies back in the UK. Companies especially will now be adding Argentina to their banned list.
 
This'll be the third parcel my wife and I haven't received over the last few years from the UK out of a total of four. All of them amounted to little value so wouldn't have attracted much tax if any on them anyway.All it has done is show the country in a bad light to family and companies back in the UK. Companies especially will now be adding Argentina to their banned list.

Somehow we all manage to find and purchase what we need locally. That supports businesses and the economy. We have to obey the laws of the country in which we live. Accepting things the way they are is better than complaining, which doesn't change anything.

I doubt the government is worried how they'll be viewed by others for their mail and customs service.

If you already had two packages undelivered, why did you order another?
 
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