Odd how the US media is barely covering this story...

ben said:
Dear Lucas. Let's put it to you straight, so that there be no room for long rants that miss the point.

1. The Argentine Government made rather sweeping claims about this incident.
2. The State Department released a fairly detailed accounting of said incident, including a list of the alleged contraband in question.
3. If this account and list is to be believed, it would appear that Argentina has, in the best case, gotten into a tizzy over something truly minor, or, alternatively, has deliberately manafactured an incident. I will not go into potential motivations here.
4. There has been nothing from Argentine authorities in the way of rebuttal, refudiation :)D) or dispute regarding anything on this list.

Agree, or Disagree? If you Disagree, kindly keep your fountains of wisdom on topic.


You USAmericans like to push yourselves into all our faces and accept your illegal activities from Iraq to Afghanistan and 100s of other countries. The plane had illegal drugs on board not declared . Do you know that it took two days for them to let them open the case with the drugs in it as it was being minded by USA military and it took a presidential order to check its contents . This was open by the foreign minister of Argentina with pliers.

USA government with it minders is up to no good here and the case is clearly a danger to the Argentinian government.

GET OUT OF OUR AFFAIRS AND ARGENTINA
 
Lucas said:
Dear dr__dawggy,

Lest put this straight, first I don't hate as you put it, the US itself or any Yankee folk by the way, what I don't like is HYPOCRISY and the successive administrations in US government which produced and still producing so much misery and pain around the globe prove it, but more precisely the pain and misery that they produced in this part of the world, supporting military juntas and terrible dictators invading countries with democratically elected governments because they were not aliened ideologically to them THAT'S what I hate, the hypocrisy to say we are the best, the more compassionate and rightful people on earth a thing which obviously they are not, that sense of vacuous, sterile and empty righteousness proclaiming to the world we are good guys, we are better than God...that is what I hate, do you understand?

When Bush was here in 2005 for the ALCA agreement which was a fiasco, thanks God, Kirchner explained to Bush that what was necessary in the region is a Marshall Plan, Bush jumped from his chair (bit of emphasis here) and said No!, No that's a crazy Democrats idea, the better and prosperous times for the US was when a war was running amok somewhere in the world and we were involved in it....so for the Bush administration and I'm sure for any administration who did and will run the country in the future that will be the goal to follow, doesn't matter who are in power be the Democrats, Republicans or whoever WAR was and still the best business to pop up and keep healthy the Good Ol' US of America hopping happily along...war is everything and a necessity to grow prosperous according to the Bush administration and probably for any future administrations as well.

Please don't take my word for it, just check backwards any administration in the US history and tell me a period were there wasn't any war which they weren't involved or they not created just to keep yankeeland growing happy along, of course never there was to be war to be fought near or in they territory, no sir, in someone else land, yes by all means.

On the Morales and Chaves front what they are doing is just fighting (still) for their country independence after 200 years from domination of raw colonialism European or American which actually still alive and well be by imposing economic pressure or by means of forced or covered intervention.

So Morales, Chaves and now Christina and before Kirchner were and are bad for USA, but nor were Augusto Pinochet, Fulgencio Batista, Rafael Videla, Leopoldo Galtieri, Anastasio Somoza García, Carlos Castillo Armas, Oswaldo López Arellano, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, Omar Torrijos, Efraín Ríos Montt, Manuel Noriega, Alfredo Stroessner, Humberto Castelo Branco, René Barrientos, Artur da Costa e Silva, Emílio Garrastazu Médici, Hugo Banzer, Juan María Bordaberry, Ernesto Geisel, João Baptista de Oliveira Figueiredo, Luis García Meza Tejada, etc, etc, etc.

Of course none of them were dictators when they were holding power US never say a thing to ostracize them to the world as long they can be utilized to do business at the back of the people of those countries they wont say anything, worse still they will help them to hang in power, recent example Egypt's Mubarak., once overthrown by another dictator or military junta then they became instantly and by a magic US touch in dictators, the Good Ol' USA will say, we don't know you but of course not before, how come?....unashamed HYPOCRISY that is what I hate folks.

Where to begin? Lets take Argentina. Specifically, Rafael Videla. Why did he come to power? Wasn't it because of the violence and havoc in the country being done by the Montoneros, who were waging a bloody socialist revolution and not because the United States put him in power?

It is true that the United States sided with Videla in the struggle against the leftist revolutionaries and their bloody campaign to control the country but we did not bring Videla to power nor, as far as I can tell, did we arm him or his military thugs. And we did not continue to support his government once he started his campaign of taking political prisoners to interrogation camps. Jimmy Carter was president during much of the time the Militares were in control of Argentina. Carter was many things, but no one ever accused him of supporting dictatorships engaged in a campaign of oppression against their own people.

Basically, most of the situations you cite are more nuanced and complex than you state...including our history in Argentina.
 
cabrera said:
You USAmericans like to push yourselves into all our faces and accept your illegal activities from Iraq to Afghanistan and 100s of other countries. The plane had illegal drugs on board not declared . Do you know that it took two days for them to let them open the case with the drugs in it as it was being minded by USA military and it took a presidential order to check its contents . This was open by the foreign minister of Argentina with pliers.

USA government with it minders is up to no good here and the case is clearly a danger to the Argentinian government.

GET OUT OF OUR AFFAIRS AND ARGENTINA

Do you suppose the US is trying to pay off its huge national debt by running drugs to Argentina? Just trying to make sense out of this allegation, which has yet to be proven for what it is worth.
 
cabrera said:
You USAmericans like to push yourselves into all our faces and accept your illegal activities from Iraq to Afghanistan and 100s of other countries. The plane had illegal drugs on board not declared . Do you know that it took two days for them to let them open the case with the drugs in it as it was being minded by USA military and it took a presidential order to check its contents . This was open by the foreign minister of Argentina with pliers.

USA government with it minders is up to no good here and the case is clearly a danger to the Argentinian government.

GET OUT OF OUR AFFAIRS AND ARGENTINA

moron, let me repeat myself with emphasis and explanation:

2. The State Department released a fairly detailed accounting of said incident, including a list of the alleged contraband in question. The "drugs" were morphine for a First-Aid kit. This, for a course in hostage-rescue that was to include live-fire, not lyric poetry. Does that strike you as something normally labelled "illegal drugs not declared"?

4. There has been nothing from Argentine authorities in the way of rebuttal, refudiation :)D) or dispute regarding anything on this list. Given the level of the discourse till now, I think it's fair to say that if the Agrentines could dispute this and call the Americans rotten liars, they would. So let's assume this list is correct

As I asked Lucas, and assuming you're someone else, kindly keep your fountains of wisdom on topic.
 
I think this whole thing will die down now. The government has gotten their headlines showing how tough they are with the evil empire and now no further advantage can be gained from continuing this concocted crisis. But years from now it will continued to be brought up in Argentina as an example the evil doings from the Satan of the north. It will become an article of faith of many Argentinians. The logical thinkers will ask, why would the U.S. do that? It really doesn't matter to the people that believe this stuff, believing this re-enforces their anti-U.S. world view, regardless of how silly or irrational it is. This kind of thinking is widely accepted in Argentina, I earlier referred to it as magical thinking. The psychology of this is interesting, I think the root is basically blaming others for your own problems or lack of success in the world. I don't think this is unique to Argentina but Argentina seems to have a fairly bad case of the disease.
 
Better if we don't start with that, the cream of the scientific Nazi community were skimmed by US, here what we only got was the plain troops

Yes, you're right, in the 1945 Nazi Fantasy Draft we got Dr. Werner von Braun and 2 second round rocket scientists, and Argentina got SS-Oberstumpanfuhrer Adolf Eichman, a major organizer of the Holocaust. But he was just one of the "regular troops". What was the US thinking, I mean instead of a space program we could have had someone who could have helped with our illegal immigrant problems.

**ok, i digress.

Lucas: you say you hate hypocrisy yet so called democratic elections in Venezuela where you have a president for life, is the height of hypocrisy. As this is the model many S. American countries look to these days as a model. "Look at Chavez he gets to thumb his nose at the US". Yeah, because he has tons of oil. Plain and simple. Argentina doesn't. (Even Bolivia has tons of Lithium (a key component in the new fuel cell batteries.) about 80% of the worlds supply. ) But this is a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy. Even Iran has elections. Egypt had elections.


Oh, and you are using the internet compliments of the US Dept. of Defense. You're welcome. I am sure they appreciate your gratitude.
 
ben said:
moron, let me repeat myself with emphasis and explanation:

2. The State Department released a fairly detailed accounting of said incident, including a list of the alleged contraband in question. The "drugs" were morphine for a First-Aid kit. This, for a course in hostage-rescue that was to include live-fire, not lyric poetry. Does that strike you as something normally labelled "illegal drugs not declared"?

4. There has been nothing from Argentine authorities in the way of rebuttal, refudiation :)D) or dispute regarding anything on this list. Given the level of the discourse till now, I think it's fair to say that if the Agrentines could dispute this and call the Americans rotten liars, they would. So let's assume this list is correct

As I asked Lucas, and assuming you're someone else, kindly keep your fountains of wisdom on topic.

Listen testerone boy you are not going to convince anyone with your points as Argentinians are smarter and more knowleagble about world events and their implications than you will ever be.

Argentina is the most Anti USA country in the Americas as proven by numerous surveys.

We have suffered through their engineered dictatorships and their support for people like Menem the crook of the century!
 
cabrera said:
Listen testerone boy you are not going to convince anyone with your points as Argentinians are smarter and more knowleagble about world events and their implications than you will ever be.

Argentina is the most Anti USA country in the Americas as proven by numerous surveys.

We have suffered through their engineered dictatorships and their support for people like Menem the crook of the century!

Ok, I see it clearly now. The US is smuggling drugs (type and quantity unknown) into Argentina to engineer a dictatorship. The plot failed because you Argentinos were just too smart for us. You prefer your own crook to a crook of our choosing. Thanks for playing.
 
Argentina is the most Anti USA country in the Americas as proven by numerous surveys.

I would bet that Argentina is the most "Anti-everything" country in the Americas if not the world.
 
What about that: chihuahua's barking won't stop the camel but might get that chihuahua reelected by other chihuahuas.
 
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