The deal with Argentine men and their "girl" friends

[John.St]

... In 98% of the cases abortion is a choice and is due to career with no respect for life and rights of the unborn

Have you ever thought of living your life according to your rules and allow others to do the same?

Or would you like me to dictate my rules for how you should live?

An embryo or early fetus does not have a life of its own, it is a part of it's mothers body until very late in the pregnancy. Then it can become a human being.

An embryo is not a human being, it is a blob of cells, no more sentient than a maggot or a tadpole, it doesn't have a "soul"; when it becomes a fetus (9 weeks old) it is about 30 mm long and it doesn't begin to move until about 21 weeks into a first or second time pregnancy (20 weeks for third and more pregnancies).

And no, I am not a supporter of abortion nor against it. I believe that people should have the right to live their lives according to their own rules, as long as they don't harm other human beings.

 

[STELLA53]

But this is regarding your morality believes, you can teach your children whatever you want regarding morality but you cannot finger point other people about what they do or they don´t do.
Regards

Do you really believe that what you teach your children in the way of morals and conduct is of no importance to me or other members of the society in which we all live? Please tell me you are joking. Or that the assinine opinions you espouse, of which this is a shining example, are the result of a lack of good English language skills.

Whose taxes support the public hospital that performs the abortion for poorly educated youngsters? Whose taxes contribute to the medical costs incurred when your kid has an auto accident, maybe while he is drunk, and is severely injured because he didn't fasten his seat belt? What about the pain and suffering of the innocent kids in the car he ran into (not to mention their medical expenses)?
Whose taxes pay for the police, fire, and other municipal service expenses that are higher than they need to be because of social problems caused by wayward youth, kids who have not been properly raised by irresponsible parents? What about the influence of peer pressure that irresponsibly raised kids may apply to tempt schoolmates to act irresponsibly? Paco, crack, and Quilmes at what age? When a smoker whose habit has caught up with him in midage requires a disproportionate share of public medical services, whose taxes is he is selfishly usurping?
The point is that what you teach your kids in the way of conduct has a very real effect on my health, safety, and welfare and that of my family. You do not live in a vacuum. The same myopia is evidenced by John St.

It's one thing to talk about the propriety of 30 something year old guys bedding down teenage girls. It's a quite different thing to expand the topic to all conduct taught to children. Whether you are prepared to recognize or not, a parent's lack of good judgment and irresponsibilty in the ethics he inculcates in his brood has tremendous repercussions for others in the community.

You often champion the rights of the poor, an admirable quality if your acts match your words, but lets not lose sight of the forest for the trees. It's not just the poor that deserve consideration.

 

[dr__dawggy]

Yes, every society has some distinctive "good" and "bad" features. The ability to nurse a coffee undisturbedly in a local cafe is nice though I am not so sure many coffee house/cafes, not restaurants, in the US, Europe, Asia would be so much different. Likewise, I don't wholeheartedly endorse the "sobre mesa" distinction you seek to draw. One's knack for table conversation is portable and the people I eat with do it better or worse without regard to nationality. Do you think the "art" of BA table conversation is inherently more developed? Is it possibly more accentuated for you because of the influence of your expat status or the stage in your life?
There are one or two Argentine norms I would like to see the US adopt. One is the civility with which strangers address each other. Another is the prevalence of organized labor. Okay, there are abuses here, but I think the pendulum has swung too far in the wrong direction in the US.

I think the environment in restaurants in BA favors table talk much more so than in the United States. In the USA waitstaff are trained to turn tables over to maximize profits. In Argentina waitstaff do not wish to insult you by hurrying your meal.

I could be wrong though. It could just be because of my age (62) or my expat status as a yanqui.

To tie this post back to the the thread...

I will discuss this issue with my 21 yearl old girl friend next week when we go to eat to celebrate her abortion. Which reminds me, I need to pick up some more Viagra at Farmacity.

 

[jp]

Or that the assinine opinions you espouse, of which this is a shining example, are the result of a lack of good English language skills.

(whispers)
It's spelt ASININE

 

[dr__dawggy]

Yes and no. I am not an ethical relativist so I think there is a wrong and a right which can be applied to human and social behavior. It is not always a matter of black and white - there are often a myriad shades of grey in any given situation/norm, but that doesn't mean one should not strive to do the right thing on a personal and social level.

I can agree that some ethical standards are absolute, transcending time and place. When populations are marginalized, oppressed, exploited or exterminated it is always appropriate to advocate for changes that empower the powerless

More often though, our standards are a direct reflection of our own cultural origins. When we confuse the two we leave ourselves open to the charge of Cultural Imperialism or "Ugly American."

 

[polostar88]

Exactly.

Human males are genetically hardwired to seek out females who can get the most children = young; and human females are similarly hardwired to find the male, who can give her children the best deal = a good provider.

This is well known and has been documented in the scientific litterature over and over again.

I agree with this generally, but female sexual strategy is rather more cynical than this. They look for the male who can give her children the best deal genetically. This is not necessarily the same guy who can be a good provider for their children. This is why many decent, hard-working, loyal but clueless men are probably raising the alpha football player's kid without knowing it.

See this for example
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071114182256.htm

...study shows women are more likely to pursue pliable, obedient men for marriage and courtship (provider status) in order to have these raise the children of more virile men that they prefer for intercourse (in secret). There couldn't be a starker illustration of the true female nature than this.

See also this post which links to similar findings:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/is-your-girlfriend-ovulating-watch-out/

Any man who wants to protect his interests should be aware of this.

Sure men cheat too, but think about how big the difference is. A man's cheating doesn't lead to his wife raising someone else's kids and investing labor and struggle in propagating someone else's genetic legacy.

This is relevant for this post because it explains why women and their male defenders get so worked up about "the danger" of older man younger woman pairings. Girls in the US, freed from standards of female propriety, go for the top 10-20% of guys in their twenties, are glad when they get a 5 minute pump and dump, fret and wonder about why they can't get "commitment," and contemptuously ignore all other guys including guys closer in value to them, etc; then in their mid-30's they start to wonder why they're alone. Their sexual market value has disappeared and they're all used up. Now they settle for what they can get. Can they rope the beta nice guy into "marriage" and to "provide" for her, a woman who gave her youth to other men? Well, that's their situation now anyway. You know why such women have such an interest in making older-man younger-girl pairings illegal; hell they've basically almost made it illegal for American men to marry foreign women lol...

 

[polostar88]

So according to you Sean Connery wasn't sexy at 50?
same goes for e.g. Marlon Brando or Clint Eastwood?

Ask a woman.

Let's not forget Berlusconi. Power is an aphrodisiac to women, and they'll go for older man if they have certain qualities, sure.

I love the way feminists and their male defenders from Protestant countries try to demonize Berlusconi because of his sex drive.

 

[jp]

...study shows women are more likely to pursue pliable, obedient men for marriage and courtship (provider status) in order to have these raise the children of more virile men that they prefer for intercourse (in secret). There couldn't be a starker illustration of the true female nature than this.

Erm...

The study involved 12 heterosexual women ages 23 to 28 who were not using hormonal contraceptives or in committed relationships.

Best to not assume you've discovered something about "true female nature" based on the speculative conclusions of one pitifully limited study.

This sounds suspiciously like misogyny trying to pass itself off as "science".

 

[John.St]

Best to not assume you've discovered something about "true female nature" based on the speculative conclusions of one pitifully limited study.

This sounds suspiciously like misogyny trying to pass itself off as "science".

You are probably right ... but I would like you to explain why DNA-tests show that the father of the child in some 8-10 percent of the tests isn't the mother's husband who expects to be el padre.

To be fair, those tests are usually performed when the husband is suspicious, and no doubt that yields a higher percentage than a random test.

 

[polostar88]

Erm...



Best to not assume you've discovered something about "true female nature" based on the speculative conclusions of one pitifully limited study.

This sounds suspiciously like misogyny trying to pass itself off as "science".

Yes, I know the idea that science is "misogynist," haha ...won't work, my dear. It's a study carried out by evolutionary psychologists, not "misogynists." And this isn't the only study, you can find more yourself. It is not pitifully limited, there is nothing wrong with its methodology, its conclusions are not speculative but quite precise, and it reflects real-world experience if you think about it.

Here are other studies leading to the same conclusion,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43Grbgupds

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-men-macho-fertile-women.html

When their romantic partners are not quintessentially masculine, women in their fertile phase are more likely to fantasize about masculine-looking men than are women paired with George Clooney types.

http://www.bakadesuyo.com/why-do-so...=Feed:+bakadesuyo+(Barking+up+the+wrong+tree)

What is your opinion on mandatory paternity testing at birth?