Fibertel: Internet Service License Revoked

[gouchobob]

Once again you are misinforming people as you have done for many years on this forum . FYI I do not support this decree and have fibertel and cablevision myself and find it a good service generally . Your remarks about supporting the regime are patronising and discrimatory as your posts normally are.

I look at Argentina and its government in a realistic way and do not believe that they are any worse or better than most governments . Personal freedoms are better than most western societies something that many try to deny with their coating of the Kirchner government as communistic which they are far from being.

Saying all that and stated above I do not believe that this is a good decision and am like many others concerned about changing services from Fibertel.

Your response above isn't very clear, but it sounds like I correctly labeled you as a regime supporter, but and this is a first, that you acknowledge that the regime did something wrong in this case. I think this is a big step forward for you gives me some hope for you in the future.

You might be surprised but I believe the K's have a least an even chance of being around after the elections next year.

BTW, maybe you have already explained it but why the change from Pericles to Perry?

 

[Moxon]

Pericles is one of the few people on this forum prepared to look at this government with a little dispassionate perspective and see some shades of grey and I congratulate him for it. Of course this is far too complicated for the hordes here who contribute nothing to the debate by parroting the ill-focused bronca of so many Argentines - and so in response they parrot again 'sos oficialista'. Could it possibly be a little more complicated than that? Informed critique is sorely lacking here and unfortunately this extends to the media and Argentina as a whole (is it any coincidence?) and this unfortunately does a grave disservice to the interests of the country.

Someone mentioned on a thread about Venezuela that debate here is a waste of time as there were too many people with too little knowledge, I agree and is it any wonder when the level of debate here about Argentina is so abysmal?

BTW, before you all get your labels out, on the information we have I think this is an appalling decision, I'm hopeful like some other incomprehensible moves by this government (remember the proposed food import restrictions?) that this will be quietly shelved at some point.

 

[Moxon]

You might be surprised but I believe the K's have a least an even chance of being around after the elections next year.

Why would he be surprised? I'm sure he knows of the recent polls.

I would vote for their candidate too, I would also drop them like a sack of spuds if a better alternative was presented to me. Would anyone like to name who they consider to be a superior alternative?

 

[French jurist]

Why would he be surprised? I'm sure he knows of the recent polls.

I would vote for their candidate too, I would also drop them like a sack of spuds if a better alternative was presented to me. Would anyone like to name who they consider to be a superior alternative?

Anyway, who will be running :
- Macri ? He will never be elected, not charismatic
- De Narvaez ? Charismatic, if he meets the condition (he was not born in Argentina), he will be the middle class favorite ("since he has money he doesn't need to steal")
- Cobos ? (I don't like at all his personality, kind of traidor. He makes me think of the guy who plays it soft & kind with a knife hidden) : not charismatic enough.
- Carrio ? I like her but she is too much in a constant opposition attitude
- Lavagna ? I like the guy, probably one of the most brightest minds. Lacks support.

Then the Kirchner, and (didn't check the electoral law) if Nestor is allowed to run for Presidency, my own intuition tells me he will be elected.
Runner-up : De Narvaez ? (if allowed to run).

That's the point : negative or positive choice, while the positive choice could lead to a few candidates, the negative one clearly leads to the K. And in fact, it's not that bad. Argentina is not doing so bad in the worldwide context.

Not to be accused of partisanism, I'll mention a failure of the K presidencies, that's the fight against corruption but if we are honest, us foreigners, which countries really are exempt of corruption ? I only know the Scandinavian countries where a minister can be ejected for buying a chocolate bar with public funds (real case).

All in all, Argentina is a great country where to live, and a lot of work needs to be done.

 

[katti]

Anyway, who will be running :
- Macri ? He will never be elected, not charismatic
- De Narvaez ? Charismatic, if he meets the condition (he was not born in Argentina), he will be the middle class favorite ("since he has money he doesn't need to steal")
- Cobos ? (I don't like at all his personality, kind of traidor. He makes me think of the guy who plays it soft & kind with a knife hidden) : not charismatic enough.
- Carrio ? I like her but she is too much in a constant opposition attitude
- Lavagna ? I like the guy, probably one of the most brightest minds. Lacks support.

Then the Kirchner, and (didn't check the electoral law) if Nestor is allowed to run for Presidency, my own intuition tells me he will be elected.
Runner-up : De Narvaez ? (if allowed to run).

That's the point : negative or positive choice, while the positive choice could lead to a few candidates, the negative one clearly leads to the K. And in fact, it's not that bad. Argentina is not doing so bad in the worldwide context.

Not to be accused of partisanism, I'll mention a failure of the K presidencies, that's the fight against corruption but if we are honest, us foreigners, which countries really are exempt of corruption ? I only know the Scandinavian countries where a minister can be ejected for buying a chocolate bar with public funds (real case).

All in all, Argentina is a great country where to live, and a lot of work needs to be done.

what about Alfonsin jr?

 

[Moxon]

De Narvaez? Do you know how he got the money in the first place? Or how his declared wealth grew more than 900% from 2004 to 2008? We don't know, when he was asked this on his own television station he just shrugged it off and the journalist who asked him was promptly sacked. The K's will have to lift their game to keep up with him.

Carrio? Are you keeping up with the things she says in the media? There must be a compilation of greatest hits out there somewhere - I'd rather have some corruption in my administration than full blown mental illness.

You are right, charisma is king here even more so than in many other countries, Lavagna is very astute but unfortunately that won't cut it here - I wish he stood a chance.

 

[perry]

Your response above isn't very clear, but it sounds like I correctly labeled you as a regime supporter, but and this is a first, that you acknowledge that the regime did something wrong in this case. I think this is a big step forward for you gives me some hope for you in the future.

You might be surprised but I believe the K's have a least an even chance of being around after the elections next year.

BTW, maybe you have already explained it but why the change from Pericles to Perry?

Why are you so obsessed with me ? Labelling people as a regime supporter is a sign of a immature provincial person who cannot see the trees from the woods.

In every debate there are many sides and opinions and lets leave it at that.

 

[French jurist]

what about Alfonsin jr?

Who knows (I mean Argentineans, low class, the majority) about Alfonsin Jr ?
Myself I don't even know his first name.
My last posts are purely intuitive by the way, it's just how I feel the political escena.

 

[gouchobob]

Why would he be surprised? I'm sure he knows of the recent polls.

I would vote for their candidate too, I would also drop them like a sack of spuds if a better alternative was presented to me. Would anyone like to name who they consider to be a superior alternative?

Well the polls show them a bit more popular due to the economy getting better, they are still not that popular. You would think any half decent candidate would easily defeat them in a fair election, the fact that we are talking about their possible re-election says volumes about how poor and disorganized is the opposition is. How could anybody worse than the K's? I think if they get at least close next year they could win or steal the election, they are going have to pretty much unlimited funds to purchase votes and influence people. If a decent opposition emerges I would think they should win but this is Argentina.

 

[Moxon]

How could anybody worse than the K's?

This is the level of debate I'm talking about. I consider every administration since the restoration of democracy here to have been worse than the K's. What do you know about what went on in this country during the times of Alfonsin, Menem, De la Rua? I recall pointing out just a few of the most obvious shortcomings of Alfonsin's presidency on this forum during the love fest that occurred here after his death and being laughed off by a couple of Argentines no less, who then went awfully quiet when I asked them to disprove the veracity of my statements.

I can kind of understand expats coming here from western democracies with little knowledge of the country and quickly deciding this must be the worst regime ever, anywhere and voting anyone else in surely would be an improvement, but the fact that Argentines forget so easily gives me few reasons to feel optimism for the future of this country.